atomose
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Post by atomose on Apr 1, 2020 12:49:56 GMT
Hi carl,
Are you going to make a corrective version of the bugs found or with new additions ? Will version 3 be in preparation for LB 5? Thank you.
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Post by carlgundel on May 13, 2020 15:22:00 GMT
At this time I do not have a clear path. It is possible that Liberty BASIC v4.x will become Just BASIC after LB5 is actually released. Or there may be an LB5 based Just BASIC later. Or both.
Just BASIC used to be much more popular, but Liberty BASIC is clearly more popular than JB now. If you want to guarantee more Just BASIC releases in the future, tell everybody and tell them to tell everybody about Just BASIC. If I see the ranks swell I will be motivated to work on a new version.
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Post by cundo on May 14, 2020 17:15:56 GMT
Let's make JB popular again!!
Just BASIC !! (JB for short)
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Post by Rod on May 14, 2020 17:55:55 GMT
We need to know what we are promoting would be may caution. What we have now is fantastic. It does not actually need any development. 4.5.1 would add value but not a sea change. Cross platform is the issue. Did free JB, a shackled version of LB, work for you before? Will it help when you get cross platform? I suspect you need one version of BASIC not two, indeed three counting RB. They might be add on's but launching three versions of BASIC cross platform is asking a lot is it not? Lots of free stuff on app stores, not sure it attracts me. Paid for quality is what I would buy. So perhaps a short function, free basic, but not JB as we have it now. Free is a quick intro to the paid version so you should not be able to do very much with it at all.
For all the users that come online your main market is nostalgia, return to programming. Might not be what you want but that's who seems to be buying. Schools and Colleges seem deaf to anything but "new".
just bumping my gums, anyone else who has an opinion should shout now.
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Post by cundo on May 18, 2020 16:41:23 GMT
I actually like JB the way it is. A really simple programming language. But bug fixes are always welcomed.
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Post by jarychk on May 23, 2020 4:20:16 GMT
I actually like JB the way it is. A really simple programming language. But bug fixes are always welcomed. The way we learned to understand in the last few years is clear. Liberty BASIC allows many things. Just BASIC is a little simpler and is missing some special features that Liberty BASIC allows. If the programmer does not need Stylebits or if the programmer does not need to make calls to external "DLL" files, then Just BASIC is all he needs. |
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Post by Enzo on Jul 17, 2020 23:27:22 GMT
Logisitic wise JustBASIC is enough of a commerial avaiable IDE for many purposes, think com ports
Granted it would have a bigger following if it had more features, simplified online server type calls, blitting graphics, LBWireFrame3D functions built in, at this point it could have amoung other things
Now a days most things online are made for app stores or embedded into the webpage, downloading a .exe is rare! That doesn't need advanced API calls
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carlg
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Post by carlg on Jul 19, 2020 19:44:49 GMT
Logisitic wise JustBASIC is enough of a commerial avaiable IDE for many purposes, think com ports Granted it would have a bigger following if it had more features, simplified online server type calls, blitting graphics, LBWireFrame3D functions built in, at this point it could have amoung other things Now a days most things online are made for app stores or embedded into the webpage, downloading a .exe is rare! That doesn't need advanced API calls It may make sense to create a new version of Just BASIC from the Liberty BASIC v5.0 when it is released, but I cannot predict what will be in it. Certainly a Just BASIC v3.0 will be multi-platform. For sure it will be a worthy upgrade, but it will probably still not have the ability to make calls to OS APIs or native libraries. Just BASIC exists to drive interest in Liberty BASIC, so it will never have all the features of LB. |
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carlg
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Post by carlg on Jul 19, 2020 19:47:09 GMT
For all the users that come online your main market is nostalgia, return to programming. Might not be what you want but that's who seems to be buying. Schools and Colleges seem deaf to anything but "new". You might be surprised at the number of students who reach out to me and say they are using JB and LB in the classroom to learn programming. It's a shame students almost never buy anything.  |
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Post by Enzo on Jul 25, 2020 3:05:35 GMT
For all the users that come online your main market is nostalgia, return to programming. Might not be what you want but that's who seems to be buying. Schools and Colleges seem deaf to anything but "new". You might be surprised at the number of students who reach out to me and say they are using JB and LB in the classroom to learn programming. It's a shame students almost never buy anything. Most Languages offer free scripting that companies hire for, anyone in business for themselves could easily use JB or LB / RB to accompish professional tasks, in fact I know first hand of a Machine Shop whom uses programs they've made in LB to view and edit G-Code a sort of IDE for Gcode itself that can port to the machines reading software (i.e. universal fileformat), (I've helped edit one of the programs! gave me major cudos around the shop esp when I wrote the code down with a pen and blank paper from thought in front of them) |
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Post by Enzo on Jul 25, 2020 3:07:52 GMT
They did buy a shop verison of LB, because I told them too, because it supported the language, they understood it as fully functional / free but I led them on to the paid benefits of supporting future releases  |
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Post by carlgundel on Jul 25, 2020 18:57:15 GMT
They did buy a shop version of LB, because I told them too, because it supported the language, they understood it as fully functional / free but I led them on to the paid benefits of supporting future releases Thank you. |
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rickh
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Post by rickh on Oct 28, 2020 15:32:36 GMT
Wow was I excited to see this V2.1 topic show up. I wonder if my 'Missing Token File' is going to be fixed or if it will get defined as the new norm. So I periodically come here to see what is going on and today I found this 2.1 topic.
First is user carlg the same person as carlgundel and representing (or is) the developer(s)?
Second there a new thing, picked up by me, here - RB? What is an RB, I know now of JB and LB and some of the ins and outs of them but had never heard of RB before. Do all three of these products (assuming RB is another variant) have the standalone RTE? Is the code base on RB LB as well? Are there other variants of these compilers?
Third - cundo - is 'just the way it is' a V1.01 or a V2.0 way?
I came to JB because it had a sandalone RTE that I needed. It was syntactically very similar to what I had used in a past life (DEC) which was excellent to manipulate strings of characters. The fact that it was free was just another benefit. I briefly considered going to LB until Rod, Chris Iverson and I (mostly Chris) nailed down what was going on in the 'Missing Token File' situation and I realized that the current LB would not be my savior.
\s\Rick
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Post by Rod on Oct 29, 2020 7:55:39 GMT
We have V2 and it works well for most folks. We still have the missing .ini file issue for multiuser setups. It has been discussed again over at LB and Carl has said he should look at the installer to see if it can be tweaked to manage this Windows UAC issue. If it is fixed for LB it will be fixed for JB I am sure. Run BASIC is the Web compliant version of LB, www.runbasic.com/ it is based on LB but some of the syntax differs, it’s more LB5 style. Our link on the home page used to link to the above resource but there is a dedicated forum now. The multi user UAC issue needs fixed, Carl is looking at it, the workaround to copy the file set to the users account works. That’s where we are. |
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Post by xxgeek on Apr 3, 2021 1:08:56 GMT
It would be nice if JB 2.0 lived up to what the help files tell us about how to use it.
There are some help files that are wrong.
One such help file explains how to run "jbasic -R -M file.bas"
I have tried many different variations of this and cannot get the -M to work.
Always get an error "not understood". The help file needs revised, or the -M needs fixed so it works. Been diving me nuts trying to get it working. (ok, I admit, I was already nuts)
Also it would be nice to be able to run jbasic -T without the editor opening, and a way to programmatically "save" the tkn file without user intervention.
Just my wish list for any future JB updates.
PS
If I could have access to the JB source code I may be able to fix it myself, saving you time and effort. In what language is jbasic.exe written?
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